August 17, 2004

SPEAKING OF THE FUZZ...

Vaguocrat or resentocrat?

You decide.

'....the tendency to become active is too arousing'

LOL

Yeh, that's definitely a real danger with culture these days.

Posted by mark at August 17, 2004 09:26 PM | TrackBack
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Perhaps he's annoyed at not being put on the links bar:
http://k-punk.abstractdynamics.org/archives/001767.html

Posted by: andreas beyer at August 17, 2004 09:58 PM

Could I just point out that E.M. Cioran was never a ponce.

Posted by: Sphaleotas at August 17, 2004 10:23 PM

Our belle ‚me's dropped more plugs than Barbara Taylor Bradford in Countdown Dictionary Corner:

http://www.abe1x.org/movetype/mt-comments.cgi?entry_id=1844

Posted by: Sphaleotas at August 18, 2004 12:57 AM

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/tg/listmania/list-browse/-/3COMPV3JJ1GA1/t/026-4088874-8553243

"To be drunk whilst pershing at the end of ones reign."

Posted by: andreas beyer at August 18, 2004 02:25 AM

Can we have a competition for most adolescent phrase?

Posted by: andreas beyer at August 18, 2004 02:26 AM

'To be gargled and then disgorged with vehemence. " --- that's a contender

Posted by: mr roque at August 18, 2004 02:27 AM

'Today I bled Ciorans blood ' --- anyone spot a recurrent error btw?

Posted by: mr roque at August 18, 2004 02:28 AM

OK class, compare and contrast:

3. Now I go on living in my corner and irritating myself with the spiteful and worthless consolation that a wise man canít seriously make himself anything, only a fool makes himself anything. Yes, a man of the nineteenth century ought, indeed is bound to be essentially without character; a man of character, a man who acts, is essentially limited. Such is my forty-year old conviction. I am forty years old now and forty years is a lifetime; it is extreme old ageÖ
However: what can a decent, respectable man talk about with the greatest pleasure?
Answer: himself
Well, so I will talk about myself.

2. Otherwise, the tendency to become active is too arousing. Since when did movement become fashionable, even virtuous? The plebeian propensity towards activism is pungent and with it emerges the odious need to Ďvoiceí oneself aloud. It is a vile pretence, a mock self-help mentality adopting the guise of a devout vocation. Resistance against this terribly dilution is, in the end, my own vocation: disrobing the specious presence of rationality, with all its ironic and empty connotations and so cultivating a sense of intimacy that amounts to nothing more than a vagary.

Posted by: mark at August 18, 2004 07:45 AM

Of course it's only at the level of the abject egotistical impotence (and celebration of such impotence) that there is agreement between the UG man and Mr Happy. At least the UG man could write, and write brilliantly. I mean, he didn't sound like a fourteen year old Nine Inch Nails obsessive desperately attempting to muster what he pathetically imagines is gravitas.

Posted by: mark at August 18, 2004 07:50 AM

You cuntís just have to look for hidden motives, donít you. Now I've got every geek and his pedantic friend typing my name in Google.

I couldnít have asked for more.

Posted by: Dylan at August 18, 2004 09:17 AM

Correct punctuation?

Posted by: andreas beyer at August 18, 2004 09:59 AM

yes thats right

Posted by: mark at August 18, 2004 10:07 AM

Errr... I thought it was a piss-take. If it was, it was most amusing. Dylan, if it was serious, it... just wasn't very good. And... a bit miserablist, IKWIM. Sorry mate.

Oooh, playing at soldiers in abandoned urban wastelands -- big fun!

a man of character, a man who acts, is essentially limited
Yes. In the tarot, the Fool (a good card, BTW!) is capable of anything in potentia; but the minute you make a commitment, those potentials collapse (to be replaced by the strictures of the Tower etc.). Common sense innit.

Posted by: paul "the mover" meme at August 18, 2004 10:47 AM

"Bernard, Bernard, this bloom of youth will not last forever."

Ah, I ought to stay out of this, due to the fact that the tendency to become active is too, you know, irksome.

Posted by: CarterM at August 18, 2004 10:58 AM

Yeh, why don't we all do that.. or don't do that... lol

Posted by: mark at August 18, 2004 11:19 AM

Stop it, you're making me blush.

Posted by: Dylan at August 18, 2004 11:21 AM

Someone needed to.

Posted by: andreas beyer at August 18, 2004 11:24 AM

Ok, now that K-punk is moving toward utter collectivization and honestly it is my most favorite blog, I think I have the right to add this comment:

Although I have no stomach for subjects on post-industrial decadence and social exhaustion but Mark, donít you think this kind of assault on Dylan Trigg (whom Iím just reading his texts) is unfair especially when boosted by snide comments and other types of stealth mockery. Iím sure you know how popular blogs are exceptionally powerful in turning a simple counter-attack to a totally pre-programmed Mafia invasion. For engaging a face, first one should pass its white wall / black hole, there is always the danger of sedentarization. Sorry, Iím just worry about the collapse of K-punk as another polarizing zone on the net. Donít surrender yourself to the temptations of this kind of attack or seemingly harmless posts ... the best option is always engaging through a direct and criticizing conversation (be brutal and merciless as far as you can) not some Sphaleotic-type of indirect degratory comments which are in fact the symptoms of identity molarization, intellectual immorality, and net-voyeurism (itís always good to have a crow on the shoulder but sometimes the crow turns to be a human and in a way, too human). Ok, enough preaching ;)

Michael, could you please stop your dreadful sphaleotic posts and simply join the collectivization party? :)

Posted by: Reza at August 18, 2004 03:16 PM

Fuck off ;-)

Posted by: Sphaleotas at August 18, 2004 03:23 PM

See how easily you overreact ... just think about it ;)

Posted by: Reza at August 18, 2004 03:46 PM

I'm with Reza. This reminds me of being bullied.

Posted by: oliver at August 18, 2004 03:48 PM

I don't answer to groupies. The fact that Mark's still speaking to me clearly brings Reza distress.

Posted by: Sphaleotas at August 18, 2004 03:53 PM

>>> I don't answer to groupies. The fact that Mark's still speaking to me clearly brings Reza distress.

LOL

Posted by: Reza at August 18, 2004 04:09 PM

As I said, I don't answer to groupies.

Posted by: Sphaleotas at August 18, 2004 04:18 PM

Or inept provocateurs.

Posted by: Sphaleotas at August 18, 2004 04:23 PM

Actually, I'm not with anyone. Fuck it.

Posted by: oliver at August 18, 2004 04:59 PM

Oliver and Reza, this is liberal bullshit... He attacked us first ... we strike back with laughter... basically, it's splitting...

why is he attacking us not bullying but our simply pointing to stupid thinks he has written and said 'bullying'? Because we are consistent and rigorous he is not? How does that work?

he begged me to link twice.... I kindly ignored his vague-out babble then... but if he wants to mix it, come on then...

Posted by: mark at August 18, 2004 05:01 PM

There reallly is some strange lib mind virus here... HE is the one with the academic position and the book deals ... I'm just a guy with a blog who works part-time in an FE college .. how can I bully him? There is a power relation, but he has all the social power (even if that means that he lacks the Spinozist power to act, you can't have both)

Posted by: mark at August 18, 2004 05:03 PM

Sorry for going on about this, but y'know, i've spent a lot of time being made very miserable by people like this, very miserable, about as miserable as you can be and survive.. It's our duty as Spinozists to expose these sad passive power puppets... We're not Kantians, we don't have respect for human autonomy, that's just a cloaking device for malevolent viruses... If something is poision we act to remove it or remove ourselves from it...

Posted by: mark at August 18, 2004 05:06 PM

Mark, you might be right; i just shared my concern; hope you understand.

Posted by: Reza at August 18, 2004 05:09 PM

Actually, I'm not with anyone. Fuck it.

Sorry if I gave that impression Oliver Ė had deliberated a little too long and missed your response.

Posted by: Sphaleotas at August 18, 2004 05:15 PM

er no um ah wow what confusion aaah crossedwires anyyyyway (I didn't say a word) sshhh. Mark, you're right. I sort of, you know, didn't read his post. Anyway...it felt good...being called a liberal...instead of a neocon...

Posted by: oliver at August 18, 2004 05:22 PM

Reza, you're right to bring it up; attacks and hatred for their own sake are not productive. But SURELY this is one of the points of the site.... to ridicule authority and power... it is k_PUNK... after all, many ppl in the collective are brilliant theorists but have limited job or publishing possibilities while this idiot has a lectureship and n book deals

infinite thought? where are you? is this punk enuff for ya!!!

Posted by: mark at August 18, 2004 05:28 PM

We're not Kantians, we don't have respect for human autonomy, that's just a cloaking device for malevolent viruses...

Even if we were Kantians, that would be no reason to suffer fools gladly.

Posted by: johneffay at August 18, 2004 06:40 PM

erm, here I am...but don't feel quite so cross about Dylan's blog... I quite like it sometimes(but I have never denied my miserabilist affiliations). I mean, would you rather it didn't exist? I doubt that....and was he really attacking k-punk...? seemed to be no direct reference, but perhaps I haven't followed this little thread very well (holed up reading Butler's dull book on 9/11 for rad phil review...).

But, y'know, bring on the hate! Why not...

Posted by: infinite thought at August 18, 2004 06:41 PM

I didn't detect an actual attack. But the fact that he begged for a link (no-one's ever begged ME for a link!) and has both an academic post and a book deal is... interesting. At least in regards his punctuation.

] attacks and hatred for their own sake are not productive.
But schisms and denunciations are.

Posted by: paul "the mover" meme at August 18, 2004 08:54 PM

yes, schisms I can approve of. Does he really have an academic post tho?

K-punk, you must realise, your blog stands at the epicentre of virtual-word-chaos....the atoms stream and collide...all attacks/kattaks (and what does this mean anyway?) merely attest to centrality (erm, I mean rhizomatic, non-aborescent importance, erm!)of K-PUNK.

Do you want a review of I, robot, btw? wasn't sure whether you yourself were gonna post one...

love to all! (I am a follower of the meme-man...)

Posted by: infinite thought at August 18, 2004 09:01 PM

I didn't detect an actual attack

Well obviously been attacked by Dylan Trigg is like being savaged by a depressed sheep on valium.

But: 'the fear of ending up like this. (link to k-p) There is nothing more repellent than a pious theorist."

That constitutes an attack in my book.

But being attacked by a transcendental miserabilist is obviously a compliment.

Robin Undercurrent is here and he's right, there's a performative quality about that miserable egobabble: it actually depresses you to read it. I guess that's the point.

Nina, I'm taking you out on more walks if you've got any level of tolerance for this morose moronism. It's hardly Cold Reason is it, this slopadelic self-pitying lifestyle whining? I prescribe more exercise to banish the lingering appeal of this slow death brain fag.

But an i, robot review yeh, please!!!

Posted by: mark at August 19, 2004 02:24 AM

Epilogue: on Michael Carr:

Itís simple: I donít like the Sphaleotic avatar and I simply criticized it in my previous post but that doesnít mean Michael Carr is not welcome as a friend. Certainly, a misunderstanding here which provokes you to overreact in such a way. Itís very simple as I once told you, although I criticize your shpaleotic avatar but it doesnít mean Iím your enemy or want to be hostile to you as Michael Carr or even Sphaleotas... the same for Robin, we have disagreements, for sure, on many subjects but does that mean we canít be friends or we canít work with each other in future? If these two are confused in West, itís amazing cause we donít have such issues in Asia or at least in Iran. The moral nightmares begin when we mix up these two or try to bring personal relationships / issues into our critiques; so no need to be hostile.

Mark, yes, everyone has the right to answer an attack with a brutal / merciless counter-attack but as soon as the attack ceased or the enemy defeated, IMHO, we should stop, as the process may succumb to Revenge / Avenge formulation which is one the most virulent / domesticating Oedipal processes (not Khattak frenzy but simply Crusading-Complex); everything within its radius becomes a provocateur of the Ramon Cajalian formula of ďFor a Secret Offense, a Secret RevengeĒ ... see Asiatic Peace (@ cold-me). However, it depends on the intensity of the initial attack ;)

Posted by: Reza at August 19, 2004 05:46 AM

or in other words, don't kick a man when he's down...

Posted by: luke.. at August 19, 2004 09:19 AM

Should we ever feel the need to art network you'll be our first port of call, Reza.

Posted by: Sphaleotas at August 19, 2004 09:49 AM

Don't kick a man while he's down.

That's the best time to kick a derpressocratic powernaut.

Any way, he loves being down. He's down and he wants us all to be down.

It's a bodymind virus, his cod-Nietzschean aphoristic Lifestyle Despair is of course everything Nietzsche decried in The Genealogy of Morals: a life-shunning whine of self-serving self-pity. Lots of self, self....

Total punitive destruction of this evil (albeit a malevolence that, in its sickly weakness, can only hope to spread its impotence) is the only ethically correct procedure from the POV of Spinozist cyberpunk.

Reza, you're talking absolute unmitigaged bollocks, I'm afraid! ;-) Talk about 'pathetically humanising' things lol.

Some questions:

Why are you treating Michael and Sphaleotas as the same individual? Surely it's only to an absurd bourgeois individualism that Michael Carr and Sphaleotas are equivalent. How does this fit in with the hyperstitional concept of the effectivity of avatars? What is this commitment to the underlying reality of human subjectivitiy? What does it matter except on the most 'pathetically humanist' level that you want to be friends with Michael? Isn't this just the kind of decadent liberal 'we're all friends together and jolly decent chaps, whatever our differences' smothering move that protects the powerful. Speaking from the UK perspective: this politesse is the cloaking device that has allowed Bliar to get away with the most outrageous mendacity, incompetence and high-handed arrogance for the last seven years.

I'm concerned about your distaste for the Sphaleotas avatar. Sphaleotas is a relentless machine for exposing pomposity and stupidity through humour. What could be wrong with that, unless you are pompous, stupid, or an apologist for such tendencies?

Prosecuting the campaign against Trigg's depresso -boredomahine isn't a 'crusader complex', it's simply a matter of relentless aggression against the stupidity of entrenched power. If you're not into that, fine, there's lots of space in gentlemen's clubs to respectfully sup with the rich and powerful and on fields where hippies gather to smoke dope and lurv each other.

In what sense is he defeated? Is he, a published writer and Birkbeck lecturer, turning over his resources to the k-punk kollective? No. Despite being intellectually bankrupt and ethically hateful, he will continue receiving his cheque, continuing getting his book deals, continuing spreading his psychic poison.

IMHO, that's not a situation we should tolerate.

As anyone who has suffered from depression - and I mean suffered from it, i.e. been so debiliated by it that you have no desire to move - knows, there is absolutely nothing glamorous about this most abject and desperate of human states. Of course, if Trigg were really depressed, rather than cultivating a pathetic sub-sub-Cioranian adolescent pose, he wouldn't be writing. The very fact he is writing performatively contradicts his claims.

Making a cult of depression and inactivity is evil.

There is a 1000 times more punk potential in Marcello than in the likes of Trigg. That's not only because Marcello is intermittently possessed by an impersonal enthusiasm, but because he is at least at war with himself over his tendencies to be possessed by depressive virus and - more importantly - because he at least refuses to countenance the ludicrous smothering pieties of liberal 'debate'.

1st task of schizoanalysis: destroy, destroy..

Come on people: wipe the PR mind program. Repeat after me: it is not wrong to say that stupid people are stupid. It is not wrong to want to push the powerful out of their positions of power.

Look at Bliar's smiling face, think of the evil white magic of 'niceness'.

Posted by: mark at August 19, 2004 10:23 AM

All the spurious old father figures rush on stage.

"STOP, MY SON!"

'No son of yours, you worthless old farts.'

Kim lifts his gun.

"YOU'RE DESTROYING THE UNIVERSE!"

'What universe?'

Kim shoots a hole in the sky. Blackness pours out and darkens the earth. In the last rays of a painted sun, a Johnson holds up a barbed-wire fence for others to slip through... a great black rent. Screaming crowds point to the torn sky.

'OFF THE TRACK! OFF THE TRACK!'

'FIX IT,' the Director bellows....

'What with, a band-aid and chewing gum? Rip in the Master Film... Fix it yourself, Boss Man.'

Posted by: andreas beyer at August 19, 2004 10:45 AM

Can I just say that Iím not a Birkbeck lecturer Ė I wouldnít want my name being dragged through the mud...

Posted by: Dylan at August 19, 2004 11:32 AM

Naturally I apologize for the error.

Posted by: mark at August 19, 2004 11:42 AM

>>> That's the best time to kick a derpressocratic powernaut.

Mark, now, I should be brutal ;)

I'm slowly understanding why Nick call humanism is as thick as pig shit and you praised humanism on hyperstition. What you just replied to Luke is just another symptom of western intellectual mafia to speak about its truth by any means possible and their thirst to revenge instead of waging war: revenge is the most pathetic type of survival on earth (a cowardly war to get a cold relief over lost things), the pathetic inaptitude of humanism and its morality for surviving at any price.

>>> Any way, he loves being down. He's down and he wants us all to be down.

This is what you say; we haven't heard Dylan's defense. or you want to say that he is too dumb to defense or too intimidated or has no power; but that answer is surely very judgmental.

>>> It's a bodymind virus, his cod-Nietzschean aphoristic Lifestyle Despair is of course everything Nietzsche decried in The Genealogy of Morals: a life-shunning whine of self-serving self-pity. Lots of self, self....

Good that's what I call criticizing but can you tell me why your boredom-complex to Capital separates you from Dylan's miserablism. Both are the outcomes of the same uncreative, totally conservative and to me Ďpathetically humanizingí approaches to our environment.

>>> Total punitive destruction of this evil (albeit a malevolence that, in its sickly weakness, can only hope to spread its impotence) is the only ethically correct procedure from the POV of Spinozist cyberpunk.

Mark, please don't dump all these fucking philosophers on us (i know you are a truly intelligent thinker and i'm serious about it but sometimes you don't see the internal inconsistencies of your discussion) ... fuck Spinoza (this is a just start for a true spinozist or spinazist) ;-)

>>> Why are you treating Michael and Sphaleotas as the same individual?

DID I? if I did so, I apologize. What I pointed out is that I merely criticize sphaleotas (and that's merely a critique), to me Michael Carr is another avatar of Sphaleotas (or vice versa?) which i consider as a friend.

>>> How does this fit in with the hyperstitional concept of the effectivity of avatars?

LOL ... you gave me a belly laugh ... internet avatars are so different from hyperstitional avatars; there are merely receptacles of molar identities, Ďnew faces for new peopleí. I think Anna has already answered this on Hyperstition.


>>> What does it matter except on the most 'pathetically humanist' level that you want to be friends with Michael?

I donít want to be an enemy, thatís all.

>>> Speaking from the UK perspective: this politesse is the cloaking device that has allowed Bliar to get away with the most outrageous mendacity, incompetence and high-handed arrogance for the last seven years.

Yes, I understand what you are talking about, you are right about British politeness ... but itís not the same thing in our culture; as long as you try to remain in your European bubble, you canít realize these cultural differences.

>>> I'm concerned about your distaste for the Sphaleotas avatar. Sphaleotas is a relentless machine for exposing pomposity and stupidity through humour.

Yes, partly agree; however, he sometimes brings his personal issues to his net journalism. And can you tell me what is stupidity?

>>> What could be wrong with that, unless you are pompous, stupid, or an apologist for such tendencies?

Because this kind of mockery is just a passive laughter on a dead ruin; on the other hand, it triggers some real consequences in peopleís real life which you canít understand or you are too unmerciful, too immoral (too humanist) to understand. Hail to intellectual infantilism.

>>> Prosecuting the campaign against Trigg's depresso -boredomahine isn't a 'crusader complex', it's simply a matter of relentless aggression against the stupidity of entrenched power.

Good, pathetic proletarian propaganda mixed with intelligent Deleuzian insinuation. You didnít got my revenge point. Try more.

>>> If you're not into that, fine, there's lots of space in gentlemen's clubs to respectfully sup with the rich and powerful and on fields where hippies gather to smoke dope and lurv each other.

Well, why not? ... if I had an income more than 85$ per month, I could go for your suggestion but sadly itís not, I can hardly survive on any front. Donít try to play the role of a cyperpunk socially responsible upgraded communist. Thatís hilarious.

>>> In what sense is he defeated? Is he, a published writer and Birkbeck lecturer, turning over his resources to the k-punk kollective?
Thatís really a good question and if you really think about it; you can never tell when he is defeated. Bush and his consultants realized this unlimit and put it as the ultimate engine of their post-911 war.

>>> No. Despite being intellectually bankrupt and ethically hateful, he will continue receiving his cheque, continuing getting his book deals, continuing spreading his psychic poison.

LOL ... so, you are trying to make him bankrupt ... hope you give me a share from that pillage ;)

>>> Of course, if Trigg were really depressed, rather than cultivating a pathetic sub-sub-Cioranian adolescent pose, he wouldn't be writing.

Are you sure? Youíve learned your university lessons ery good, Bravo.

>>> Making a cult of depression and inactivity is evil.

Anthropomorphic evil is only reached through judgment; you are good at it. I should confess that I was rather judgmental for Sphaleotas.

>>> 1st task of schizoanalysis: destroy, destroy..

Viva inhuman annihlationism. You are coming to the dark side ;)

>>> Come on people: wipe the PR mind program. Repeat after me: it is not wrong to say that stupid people are stupid. It is not wrong to want to push the powerful out of their positions of power.

What about making a flyer for it?

Ok, Mark, I know I overreacted to your answer; but well, K-punk runs at the edge of energy. Now, if you truly want to pick a friendly fight, Hyperstition is a good place (I wonít answer anything at K-punk related to this post). Cold Me website has been blocked and made inaccessible here because of some unknown reasons, so itís not a good arena for fight. Ok, now letís take a breath ;)

Posted by: Reza at August 19, 2004 02:15 PM

he sometimes brings his personal issues to his net journalism.

I have ďissuesĒ with people who fellate the American far right, certainly.

Posted by: Sphaleotas at August 19, 2004 02:38 PM

If you mean Nick, IMHO, you are absolutely wrong. Discuss with him and get the answers or at least challenge him ... of course, you might consider such a possible discussion degrading for yourself but c'mon ... ;)

Posted by: Reza at August 19, 2004 03:09 PM

But don't forget your first email to me and your enthusiasm for keeping Nick on the board (esp. when Clifford Duffy posted his text on the board) and all the later childish things and suddenly you turned against him possibly because you found him a renegade, that he not with your pathetic mafia any longer or maybe, it is all because i called you jealous when you revealed his identity on the board ... Mr. Freud always here to unearth the hidden motives and you have lots of them, BIG OEDIPAL ONES. communication cut.

Posted by: Reza at August 19, 2004 04:41 PM

But don't forget your first email to me and your enthusiasm for keeping Nick on the board

Donít be so naive: the better to dissect him clinically and politically.


suddenly you turned against him possibly because you found him a renegade

ďTurned againstĒ the poor sod some years before, alas.


BIG OEDIPAL ONES

Thus I win.

Posted by: Sphaleotas at August 19, 2004 05:48 PM

This time you was slow ... was trying to paint those motives? ;)

>>> Donít be so naive: the better to dissect him clinically and politically.

LOL ... and you did it well? come to hyperstition and really dissect it; we all need clarifications. Don't be shy, bring your sidekicks if you can't challenge well.

>>> Thus I win.

yes, sweety ... it's your big complex: 'always be the winner'. oK, YOU ARE THE WINNER.

Posted by: Reza at August 19, 2004 06:36 PM

This time you was slow ... was trying to paint those motives? ;)

Funnily enough, I was buying a train ticket. Mark, Robin and I are meeting up on Saturday. Fine wines. Girls, girls, girls. Youíd really enjoy it.


come to hyperstition and really dissect it

No thanks, youíd be all over me like a passive-aggressive Chihuahua. And Iíve never liked The Omen.


if you can't challenge well

No complaints received to date.


your big complex: 'always be the winner'

Only if my fellow contestants are fucking idiots. Then itís a matter of principle.

Posted by: Sphaleotas at August 19, 2004 08:26 PM

>>> come to hyperstition and really dissect it

so predictable

>>> No thanks, youíd be all over me like a passive-aggressive Chihuahua. And Iíve never liked The Omen.

lol ... you are always entertaing me ... keep going, i really need a good mood ... but actually, have no stomach to pick a fight with a revengeful net-peepingTom.

Posted by: Reza at August 19, 2004 09:32 PM

net-peepingTom

Research using publicly-available information freely offered up by all concerned. Just isnít occult enough, is it?

How's Stimpy these days?

Posted by: Sphaleotas at August 19, 2004 10:16 PM

Reza,

if you try to talk to Nick --- what do you think we've been trying to do with him for years, years before you arrived to shore up a postion that is intellectually and ethically shot to pieces and literally indefensible?

if you can't see that you're behaving like a doorstepping Christian: read the bible, read the bible, discuss with Nick, discuss with Nick...Well I have read the Bible, and I HAVE discussed with Nick but with you in particular there seems to be a dogmatic attachment to an embarrassing, inept and infantile bourgeois individualist black candle miserabilist Goth adolescent naughtier and noumenaler than thou 'hey Mr lefty' oedipal revolt into fellating Big Daddy USA (because what could be naughtier than that?)

Newsflash: the Left is finished in the west. So there's no need to continue to show off in some oedipal naughtiness contest. There's no one to shock any more by saying Kapital is cool. It is about as shocking as Marilyn Manson (in other words, about as shocking as bourgeois miserabilists that you indulge such as m satai). The sad thing about your talk of revenge is that is you have been recruited into a genuinely sad and pathetic 'revenge' against long dead soc!alist fathers in the western academy.

Simply talking about Persian gods and living in Iran does not mean you have escaped western decadence if you persist in indulging the worst, most pernicious form of western decadence: bourgeois individualist miserablism. Would your generous defence of Trigg's ponderous egotistical miserofests be extended to someone who dared to defend, for instance, something like Naomi Klein's position if I exoriated that? Or could it be that you are engaging in a ongoing revenge against the straw man of Dead Father Left? The condescending, patronising, smirking, adolescent goth I-know-better-so-don't-have-to-engage-in-rational argument with the likes of you inferior proles, dismissal of the _reasoned_ arguments Undercurrent and myself have tried to develop both here and at Hyperstition is really too much.

You know as well as I do that social class has nothing to do with income. On a Marxist level, it's to do with your affiliations. Are you on the side of the existing power structure - as you unashamedly are (unless you think that producing hermetic texts on persian gods and doing alphanumeric kabbala is going to lead to a planetary threshold shift) or are you involved in trying to do something different, better? (But of course from your Cold Robots from 1970s Science Fiction Marilyn Manson we're naughtier and nastier sorry more inhuman than thou position, trying to make things better for people - as opposed to wanking off over pictures of the sun and producing more SUBJECTIVIST REPRESENTATIONS - is 'pathetically humanist.'

In a bizarre doubling of the logic of Stalinist State Soc!alism, you laugh at the position of Kleinites trying to resist the always, arriving never quite here remorseless megamachine of Kapital (when those of us who live in Really Existing Capitalism - but who, according to yr imperious smuganautics, somehow know much less about it than you decadent non-western theorists who DO NOT live in it, are all too aware that is very far from being anything close to your ideological naughty fantasy, since it is inept, humanising, and bureucratizing). But if their admittedly rather sad position is impotent, it at least has a tragic nobility lacking in your lamentable representational and idealist cheering for the Master Class. There is something genuniely saddening about the fact that you are in a fascinating place but continue to deify the dying hegemony of the USA. In UK terms, it's like supporting Manchester United (i.e. the football team which until recently always won the championship but which now are fading, and which have typically been supported by people who don't know anything about football but who just want to follow the winning side). Surely even you can see that your support for American Kapital is so unrelated to anything that could have any effect in the real world that to call it 'irrelevant' would be a staggering overstatement. The image I have in my head is of helicopters passing overhead... the Bush motorcade passing by ... its remorsely-moving wheels splashing you and likemind goth naughty 'anti-humanists' while you wave your ratty flags and cheer 'Good on you, Mr President.'

Words like proletariat and communist are compliments round here.

Because we have moved on from the Oedipal fixations and ideological infighting of the academy in the 90s.

In short, as a committed bourgeois indvidualist you are an an enemy of k-punk both as distributed anti-authoritarian anti-capital collective process AND of the site (you're draining my energy).

Please don't bother us again unless you have shown that you have thought about what has been said - in a _rational_ (i.e. non-defensive, or smugly imperious) way.

In other words, stick to the Sisters of Mercy until you can grow up and have a rational discussion.

Posted by: mark at August 20, 2004 02:35 PM

in simple words:

Mark, it striked me that you want to be as popular as possible esp. in the blogsphere and you try to keep it by any means possible while colleting hyenas around yourself to fortify yourself, you want to survive at all costs and i really respect it. if you want to keep this popularity by teeth and claws, i don't see any single reason to interrupt you or condemn it. i surrender to you and declare myself defeated. i see a good carrier in your bright future. best wishes. i have nothing to say.

Posted by: Reza at August 20, 2004 03:04 PM

carrier = career ; of course, your hyperstitional intelligence has aleardy realized it.

Posted by: Reza at August 20, 2004 03:41 PM

at the risk of sounding like a hyena, Mark, I have to say, your prose is really on fire these days. Good god man, we're goning to have to put you in a rocket and fire it directly at the sun at this rate.....

Posted by: infinite thought at August 20, 2004 05:17 PM

Infinit,

as my last words on this blog (to erase any misunderstanding): definitely, i was not with you and other people who comment here ... flesh-ripping hyenas are clearly distingshable from others. They have either long strips or spots on thier bodies but i've heard there are so many other types. They usually move in pack but you always can find them when a fresh carrion is present. ;)

Posted by: Reza at August 20, 2004 05:50 PM

Thanks Nina, it means a lot coming from a fellow Cold Rationalist like yrself. I mean what would you rather be... a hyena or a TMH? Certainly, a hyena isn't the only animal that would laugh at the thought that k-punk is pursuing popularity at all costs with its lowest common denominator, tabloid sensationalist Lemurian-Spinozist-Marxist Cold Rationalism. LOL!

Posted by: mark at August 20, 2004 05:57 PM

oky-doky...all misunderstanding erased (looks at the ground, taps feet uncomfortably).

Oh man! I just found this out about hyenas:

'Genitals: boneless phallus 5.8 to 7.8 in (14.5-19.5cm), equally developed in both sexes; female differences develop at puberty, when the urethral opening splits and teats enlarge.'

That is just...gash.

But finally, look!

'females are bigger than males and dominate them.'

heh heh heh

Posted by: infinite thought at August 20, 2004 06:00 PM

'lowest common denominator, tabloid sensationalist Lemurian-Spinozist-Marxist Cold Rationalism'. AAAAAHHHHAAAAHHHHHAAAAHHHHAAAA! (closer to 'reality' than 'LOL'...wasn't Pol Pot's first name 'Lol', btw?). I would write for a paper like that...oh wait! I am....just collecting droppings for the I Robot review, Mark! My speeds and slownesses are somehat tilted in directionof the latter...

Posted by: infinite hyenas at August 20, 2004 06:04 PM

They usually move in pack

Yes, how disgraceful to be move in a pack-multiplicity and not be (a) a solipsistic oedipal miserabilist like Trigg or Satai (in every way, literally Sad Cases) or (b) an NL Mini-Me

Posted by: mark at August 20, 2004 06:06 PM

aren't there any persian hyena gods?

Posted by: andreas beyer at August 20, 2004 06:17 PM

hyena = 785 = 210 = 34 = 12

yehhhhhhhhhh

Posted by: andreas beyer at August 20, 2004 06:18 PM

still, it's better than anagrams....

Posted by: mr roque at August 20, 2004 08:32 PM

Two words: hissey fit

Posted by: Jake Moor at August 20, 2004 08:39 PM

No: laughing at self-serving reactionary wankers with a good conscience.

Posted by: andreas beyer at August 20, 2004 11:21 PM

LOL!!!

Posted by: mark at August 21, 2004 08:07 AM